Posts by John Davis

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Dutch petition for investigation into child abuse cases

by jochie in

please read.

last weekend, trouw, a dutch newspaper, published several articles on sexual abuse within the jehovah's witnesses organization.

this church organization attempts to resolve abuse internally without going to the police or courts.. so therefore i made this petition to ask the dutch parliament to start an investigation.

John Davis

It is extremely noble for you to start this petition. Something must be done to help protect children. I just have a problem with your point #1. First of all, it is very vague, what do you mean that "The religious freedom of individuals is respected." This is extremely overly broad and could mean anything.

I think you are meaning that you want them to investigate Disfellowshipping and Shunning. This practice is not a good policy at all but I hate when people connect the abuse of children with that of disfellowshipping when they try to have a petition or try to communicate with governmental officials. Child abuse is breaking the law, shunning is not against the law. These need to be separate items and not try to connect the two. While yes Angus Stewart connected the emotional strain of shunning with child abuse he did not connect the whole practice of shunning with it, he narrowed it to only that of shunning those who have been victims of child abuse.

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Blood Transfusions/Blood Salvage

by NJ501 in

hi all,i've been doing some research on blood transfusions and fractions.

i found out a patient can donate their own blood, so it can be used for elective surgery...i was wondering if theirs really any difference between a blood transfusion of your own blood and the blood salvage procedure.

i think quite similar since its just a re-transfusion of your own blood.. what are your thoughts?

John Davis

According to Watchtower Doctrine storing one's blood is not acceptable but cell salvage is. It is because cell salvage is considered as a closed circuit and the blood doesn't officially leave the body flow, per Watchtower view. It is believed that if you store the blood than it has left the circulation of the body. That is the official understanding per them. Other people can express their views and opinions on this.

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UK Charity Commision reports on Moston, Manchester Congregation.

by snugglebunny in

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/investigation-leads-to-improvements-in-safeguarding-at-jehovahs-witnesses-charity.

John Davis

It is interesting, and hopefully the British Branch inquiry they will be forced to make a change, but it is interesting that the Commission did not have a problem with the requirement that the trustees contact the legal department first. They should call the police first so hopefully, that will change.

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Magistrate says Jehovah's Witnesses are complicit because they failed to report to authorities

by jw news 2017 in

"former jehovah's witness jailed for historical sex offences against young sisters... .

sentencing magistrate bernadette boss noted it was "most unfortunate" that once again a church had failed to notify the authorities about an allegation of sexual abuse.. that made the church complicit in the matters and "appears to have exacerbated the effect on the victims of the offence," dr boss said...".

quoted text from the web page :.

John Davis

Steve2 I know that you are using that as a derogatory statement towards me. But show me in the original links of this post where the word complicit appears. It doesn't appear. I said that it does appear in the ABC link but not in the original link. So many people argue that word choice is so important and will nit pick over every word in an article that Watchtower puts out but if I say what I said then oh well word selection doesn't matter only the intent of what is being said.

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For Christians: What do you think about an Armagedon and the Afterlife

by John Davis in

i don't mean for anyone to get into argument over this, i just want to hear what people believe.i hope that no one will mock or argue with someone else about their beliefs, i know that i won't in this topic.. i still believe in a christian god, not what jws believe, but believe that there has to be something after this life.

i am not sure about how armageddon would go, would it be like how evangelicals believe with a rapture or timing or anything, though i still believe in a form of armageddon.

i do think that all good people will go to heaven but i don't believe in a hell.

John Davis

I am sorry that is true. I meant that really only the Abrahamic faith's belief in an armageddon and an afterlife of like heaven for the most part. If you have a faith that is not one of the Abrahamic faith's but still believe in a type of Armageddon or heaven please share.

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For Christians: What do you think about an Armagedon and the Afterlife

by John Davis in

i don't mean for anyone to get into argument over this, i just want to hear what people believe.i hope that no one will mock or argue with someone else about their beliefs, i know that i won't in this topic.. i still believe in a christian god, not what jws believe, but believe that there has to be something after this life.

i am not sure about how armageddon would go, would it be like how evangelicals believe with a rapture or timing or anything, though i still believe in a form of armageddon.

i do think that all good people will go to heaven but i don't believe in a hell.

John Davis

I don't mean for anyone to get into argument over this, I just want to hear what people believe.I hope that no one will mock or argue with someone else about their beliefs, I know that I won't in this topic.

I still believe in a Christian God, not what JWs believe, but believe that there has to be something after this life. I am not sure about how Armageddon would go, would it be like how evangelicals believe with a rapture or timing or anything, though I still believe in a form of Armageddon. I do think that all good people will go to heaven but I don't believe in a hell. I don't think that God won't intervene in some way in human's problems, or at least I hope not. I think that at least in the places where Abrahamic faiths are the most common, people may not be religious, as in not going to church because they have problems with religion in general but they still believe in a God and an afterlife in some form.

I don't really want to hear from people who don't believe in any form of the afterlife just want to hear from people who believe in a form of the afterlife from an Abrahamic Faith's teachings.

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Magistrate says Jehovah's Witnesses are complicit because they failed to report to authorities

by jw news 2017 in

"former jehovah's witness jailed for historical sex offences against young sisters... .

sentencing magistrate bernadette boss noted it was "most unfortunate" that once again a church had failed to notify the authorities about an allegation of sexual abuse.. that made the church complicit in the matters and "appears to have exacerbated the effect on the victims of the offence," dr boss said...".

quoted text from the web page :.

John Davis

I am not debating whether they were complicit or not just the original links in ur original post the word complicit doesn't appear. It does appear in the ABC link u provided but not in the original it uses the exhasurbated.

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Magistrate says Jehovah's Witnesses are complicit because they failed to report to authorities

by jw news 2017 in

"former jehovah's witness jailed for historical sex offences against young sisters... .

sentencing magistrate bernadette boss noted it was "most unfortunate" that once again a church had failed to notify the authorities about an allegation of sexual abuse.. that made the church complicit in the matters and "appears to have exacerbated the effect on the victims of the offence," dr boss said...".

quoted text from the web page :.

John Davis

The original posting says exhasurbated not complicit. Complicit requires action not in action. It appears that the judge used the term exhasterbated not complicit.

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Magistrate says Jehovah's Witnesses are complicit because they failed to report to authorities

by jw news 2017 in

"former jehovah's witness jailed for historical sex offences against young sisters... .

sentencing magistrate bernadette boss noted it was "most unfortunate" that once again a church had failed to notify the authorities about an allegation of sexual abuse.. that made the church complicit in the matters and "appears to have exacerbated the effect on the victims of the offence," dr boss said...".

quoted text from the web page :.

John Davis

The abc reference was not in your original post.

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Magistrate says Jehovah's Witnesses are complicit because they failed to report to authorities

by jw news 2017 in

"former jehovah's witness jailed for historical sex offences against young sisters... .

sentencing magistrate bernadette boss noted it was "most unfortunate" that once again a church had failed to notify the authorities about an allegation of sexual abuse.. that made the church complicit in the matters and "appears to have exacerbated the effect on the victims of the offence," dr boss said...".

quoted text from the web page :.

John Davis

JW News where in the article that the magistrate said that the elders were complicate because they failed to report. They should have but that is not what the article says that the magistrate said.